I remember when I was interviewing for my MD-PhD program. When I actually was on campus, only three people from my department were available to talk to me, while 5 actually needed to. Because of this I was forced to have 2 phone interviews when I returned back to Chicago.
I'll just say this. I really hated the program when I interviewed here. Everyone (including most of the other interview candidates, though I did like the students I met) seemed really pompous and full of themselves. One faculty member I spoke with didn't even know what program I was interviewing for. The basic science people who run the MD-PhD program told me that my (non-basic science research in health economics) was bullshit. That actual word may have even been used. I don't remember.
At least they didn't accuse me of lying about my involvement on projects, which is what one guy at Harvard did.
Anyway.
I had already decided that there was no way that I would ever go to my med school, and felt rather put out by the idea that I now had to waste two more hours of my time being interviewed over the phone with additional people I was probably going to dislike. Nonetheless (and I guess obviously because I am here), I set up a time to talk with each of the other two people.
I think one was scheduled for 2:30 PM Central Time one afternoon while I was at work. I waited and waited, tethered to my desk for an hour or so until the faculty member -- to this day I don't recall who it was -- bothered calling me at 3:30 PM Central Time.
I told them firmly that they were an hour late and they would have to reschedule because I had work to do.
Eventually we conducted the interview, and I guess it went well because I was accepted.
To this day I don't know if I got accepted because of or in spite of that interaction.
I bring this up now because "being late" seems to be how people operate in my department. In contrast to medical school, where if you are 30 seconds late to a class or an appointment someone jots something down and it is noted how unprofessional you are in your next evaluation, in the Epi department people will actually yell at you if you are three minutes early.
Yesterday I arrived thusly, and the person practically dropped their coffee into their lap and hastily told me to come back 15 minutes later. I thought to myself that maybe I had probably caught him looking at porn, but when it happened again with another person today (I was 2 minutes early this time), it occurred to me that perhaps this was a cultural thing in my department.
I wonder what would happen if I started routinely arriving 15 minutes late to all my appointments in the Epi department. Would I somehow signal to everyone around me how important I am?
Thus:
Medical student = one extreme. Important Epi faculty member = other extreme.
Ridiculous.
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It's too bad you really want that PhD, 'cause it seems that you're willing to give up some of your personal power (and other people's respect) in order to get it. Sometimes what we really want isn't worth the price we would have to pay for it. And look out for putting yourself back in that factory or whatever hellhole you were in...
The same could be said of medical school, anon. It's just part of the process. And I can tell you that if it becomes not worth it, I will end it. The big difference here between the industrial supply company from hell and this is here I will acquire actual marketable skills that I enjoy using. There I was swimming in a black vortex of soft skills like "management."
Plus, though I complain I am actually quite happy with my program. So far.
Ha, what a delightful post! As a fellow MD/PhD in Epidemiology, I remember also being surprised by the time differential between graduate school and medical school.
Unfortunately for me, I finished my PhD right before my clinical rotations and started M3 with surgery -- I can tell you my preceptors were *not* amused when I walked in for surgery lectures 10 minutes late =)
PS: Found your blog via T.'s "Notes of Anesthesioboist" and am very impressed. Stay strong -- those long MD/PhD years will pass quicker than you think :)
I have a question, not all that relevant to this post but here it is:
do you think your age helped or hindered your med school experience? were you helped by your age, or hindered by being possibly less impressionable?
just wondering..
Girl, you should just drop the pHD. Start your residency earlier, so you start bringing in cash earlier!
Cindy - If it was all about the cash, I'd have become an investment banker long ago. Or gone to law school.
Anon #2 - Being older has only helped. I'm not sure I understand your point about being less impressionable. I guess once it was implied that I was "less naive" than your average med student, but I took that as a compliment, even though I suspect it wasn't one.
Hi... You're not so old... really. I came across your blog a while ago. I am in a situation where I am now a 31- y.o. postdoc... I got the PhD when I was 27 done. When I interviewed for grad school, one interviewer asked me "why aren't you going to med school?" I did my undergrad at a prestigious liberal arts college where most go onto law, med, and b-school. I didn't make much of it at the time. Now, I am reflecting and watching the uncertainty of my choice unfolding in front of me. Yes, I also saw it as a grad student, but even as funding was pretty crappy, it wasn't like this. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that I made a poor choice, but somewhere along the way, I realized that I care for others very much and have taken my own health extremely seriously. I am at the point of looking over the edge and reconsidering my choice NOT to go to med school. At the time, it was a cost thing and no one told me about MD/PhD. I was afraid that I didn't have the money. My parents had lost jobs while I was in high school and college, so I sought the financial independence and did the PhD-- not just because of the money, but because I did like science. I have had the experience of working in a hospital as a volunteer and have considered volunteering at hospice. (My PhD is in cancer biology and I know all to well from grand rounds about how some cancers are treated and how they resist.) I need time to go back to learn things for med school, if I were to ever apply. I also feel as though my maternal clock is ticking away and I want to have my children before it's too late. Perhaps I should step away from the bench, have my children and study for the MCAT and aim to enter when I am 35. At least my accomplishments in my personal life will be there. I just am having a hard time seeing myself continue in the path of trying to get indirect grant support to build more buildings on campus and train incoming students/postdocs who may not have many career options, or who may have to put off their life for something that may not exist. I don't want to contribute to this broken system.
Any thoughts?
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