Monday, March 29, 2010

Readers want to know!

I have a reader, EG, who has asked me the following question:

How did you get experience as a researcher before your MD-PhD program?

Since I LOVE pontificating about myself, I will tell you.

The short answer is: the job kind of fell into my lap.

The longer, more truthful answer? I'd been thinking about a career doing research for a long time. See, compared to most pre-meds I know, I came at this whole med school thing ass-backwards. Most kids decide they want to be doctors. Then, when being a doctor doesn't turn out to be the eternally intellectually stimulating adventure they thought it would be, they turn to research.

It all started way back in the 90s. When I was in college.

I had thought I wanted to do research when I was taking sociology classes as an undergrad. But, after taking Sociology of Culture, which was -- I do not kid -- all about how rich people use "culture" to keep the working man down, and how economics is "wrong" because people often choose to spend their time doing things besides work (don't even get me started on this), I kind of became disenchanted with the field.

There, I said it. I love sociology. I really do. But at that moment, they all seemed like a bunch of whiners to me.

Also, while there may have been oodles of opportunities to do sociology research at The University of Chicago, I had no idea how to get involved with it. And anyway, I was beginning to think the field was bullshit.

Still, as I sat in the methods classes that taught us how to design surveys and run focus groups, I found myself thinking, "I could really do this."

Between junior and senior year of college, I had this mini-freak out about med school. I felt like I'd written it off too quickly, and briefly toyed with the idea of doing some biology my senior year. I decided at that time that my senior thesis would be on health or medicine and sociology.

It turned out to be a very auspicious decision.

I was assigned an adviser who did palliative care research (now he does social network studies using the Framingham database and facebook of all things). I had wanted to do some kind of project on race and medical adherence, but alas, he had a data set on hospices. So, I did a project on the predictors of voluntarism in hospices instead.

And the year passed, and I did my project. I never really got into working with this guy -- I always felt like he thought I was kind of stupid -- but I still got my A. And I graduated. And he asked if I wanted to try to publish the paper, but I didn't care so I said no. I was starting my job as a consultant after all. I thought I would never go back to academics.

Anyway, fast forward 4 awful years and 2 jobs later, I found myself jobless in the recession of 2003. I had been *thinking* about the idea of grad school for a couple of years. Ok, 3 years. My interest mostly stemmed from the fact that I found the PhD-burnouts who ended up in business to be infinitely more interesting than the MBAs, and because I liked thinking about things in a way that most people I knew didn't understand or couldn't care less about.

Ok, they weren't stellar reasons. But also, my brain was atrophying out in the warehouse. I couldn't remember how to do algebra to get fractions out of the denominator of an equation, ok? I longed to be able to use my brain again. To solve interesting problems. It's what I've always been good at.

So I started looking for a job. Any job. I needed to feed myself. And every so often I would find a research job -- usually at 50% of the salary I had been making previously -- and I would apply for it. One job asked me what research experience I had. So I mentioned my senior thesis and who I had worked with, and played up my job skills.

Little did I know that a) my adviser had turned out to be a major hot-shot, and b) he had worked in the same research group as the people who had posted the ad for the job.

So I got the interview. And I totally hit it off with both of the PIs, and they more or less hired me on the spot. They were doing some really cool research that as it turns out is somewhat related to what I'm doing now. And they let me basically run the ship. I learned so much at that job! Looking back, it kind of scares me how much autonomy they let me have.

I also went back to talk to my former thesis adviser, and he put the bug in my ear about med school. I think he thought I was younger than I was, because when he found out my age, he kind of waffled back and forth a bit about whether I should still go. But I was sold. I had figured out that you could become an MD and do research, and still have a viable back up career if the research part didn't work out. Having seen a lot of my PhD friends struggle to find jobs -- much less tenure track jobs -- once they finished their PhDs, that was really important to me. And (my mentors told me) if I my plan was to do research, I might as well do it right and get the PhD too.

I guess that makes it sound like it was this big epiphany moment. And it kind of was. But I still told myself, "Ok, a year of biology, and if it goes well, then I'll go to med school." And the same with Physics and Ochem the next year. I was also really lucky to have found these particular mentors as they were incredibly supportive of my decision and were great to work with.

I completed the project a year ahead of schedule, which enabled me to get some publications. And I got good grades and did well on the MCAT, and got into [you know where]. The rest is history.

So do YOU want to know how to get into research? It's all about making connections. Talk to your professors. Set up meetings. Show interest in what your professors do. If they can't pay you, do some work for them for free if you think it will pay off in terms of a relationship or a letter. I wish I had realized this when I was in college. Oh well. I got a lot of valuable work experience instead. And I got here anyway. Just a bit later than everyone else.

11 Pearls of Wisdom:

Shecago said...

oh god I'm on your blogroll I have to get my shit together so that I can post!!!

Old MD Girl said...

Haha! You better not be THAT blogger at the bottom of my blogroll who never posts, girl.

gabbiana said...

So how did you take the medicine prereqs? Were you working at UC, and you could just take classes?

Anyway, good story.

Old MD Girl said...

I took the pre reqs while working at the U of C. My hours were pretty flexible so I would just stay late and call patients if I missed time for class. It paid 50% of my tuition benefits.

E. Greene said...

Totally fine to link me. After already reading in your MiM comments which revealed that you had taken your courses "a la carte" while working, I was curious how you got your foot in the door.

Thanks for providing the great explanation!

Anonymous said...

I love this post. The one thing that has been frustrating me is this part:

"And I got good grades and did well on the MCAT, and got into [you know where]"

No OGMD. I don't know where. And I wanna know. Desperately. You have no idea.

Now, I know what ur thinking.... STALKER!!!?!?! No. I'm most def NOT a stalker. I got into a school in Phillie and I'm torn about if I should come down so far from home for school, or stay closer to family. Basically, reading your experiences here have made me think again... about opportunities available in Phillie that one can only find in only a dozen other places in the country.

So, if you do oblige, pls answer me this: public or private? (I totally understand if you're creeped out about this and don't answer.)

Old MD Girl said...
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Old MD Girl said...

Anon -- You really need to work on your stalking skillz. ;-)

It's all over the internet if you google my blog. Really. (Not that I'm thrilled about that, but what can you do. It's not as though I'm really anonymous anyway.)

Let's just say this: there are probably only (at most) 10 other places in the country where I'd have the resources I have here. Even the University of Chicago didn't have what they have here. Does that help?

And, while I completely understand wanting to be near your family -- especially during med school which is so much easier when you have social support -- DUDE. Go to the best school you can possibly afford. You will have SO MANY MORE OPTIONS WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

I know this isn't a popular thing to say -- I'm supposed to say that anyone from bumblefuck U can be a dermatologist if they work hard enough. But the truth is that bumblefuck U didn't match 8 other people in derm too, plus 10 anesthesiologists, 3 plastic surgeons, 6 ophthalmologists, etc. Even people who were not AOA. Not that I want to be any of those specialties, but you get my point. Where you go isn't everything, but it matters. It's really nice to have lots of options if you're going to bust your butt to do med school at all.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Thanks. And you're sooooo right about it being all over the internet. Duh. I feel silly now.

But what you said about "Where you go isn't everything, but it matters." It feels about right. I had always wondered why so many schools matched their own students, especially into ROAD and highly competitive specialties (just as an example, Jefferson/Wills Eye ophthalmology matches quite a few Jeffies, a couple of Penns, and then very few others... which somewhat annoys the hell outta me).

Well, thanks for the advice. Point taken.

Time Waster said...

Hi! I recently started blogging and somehow while googling study habits I came across your site or was liknked to it from else where. I have no idea! But anyway, my name is Anisha. I am an undergrad, I am not doing well as I had hoped to do in my pre-med classes and on top of all that I am a bio major. Is there any tips you can give me when it comes to studying, how did you did it? And as for mcats how did you do well on them? Also when I was hospitalized once my doctor todl me if you like sleeping you shouldnt become a doctor so now I am trying to sleep less and study more. If there are any tips you can share with me I would appreciate it. And also, I have a research opportunity to work with the guy who came up with the md/phd program but I also have an option to work in a research department in my school, which one should I choose?

Old MD Girl said...

Anon - I meant that for matching in competitive specialties *in general* it matters where you go. A lot of those kids I mentioned above matched other programs besides [my school].